Posts by Juan Viejo2

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Juan Viejo2

alecholmes

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Anyone have a scan/copy of October 2012 BOE letter? It may help Candace's appeal..

by The Quiet One in

"the brief statedthat [ t]hat letter [a 1997 letter to boe] also confirmed watchtower's long-standing policy that a known child molester does not qualify to be appointed to a position of responsibility in any congregation.

" http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/250093/1/summary-of-wt-appeal-brief-in-conti-case.

Juan Viejo2

i can assure you all that Candace and her attorney and dozens of her friends have access to copies of that letter.

JV

535

AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Juan Viejo2

Quiet One - We all have at least two questions. Nothing is set in concrete (you have no idea how many changes we made in the last 24 hours before going online). Along with our questions, we all know that none of us has the answers, but we have to start some where and get this ball rolling or nothing will get done.

Originally Richard Kelly wanted to be the anti-type of Judge Rutherford, I would be C T Russel, and Cedars was going to be Fred Franz in our replacement version of the Governing Body. But we all realized that Danmera, Barbara, and Lady Lee were all more efficient, smarter, and better looking than we were. Would Governing Body 2.0 have to allow women to be members? And then there were the foreigners, Bo and Paul. Would we have to give them equal status over us Americans and a Brit? Unheard of apostacy!

But I can't grow a decent beard, Dick Kelly isn't the dictator type, and Cedars is not batshit crazy (although I hear he does walk around with a pocket protector and stares at his shoes).

So I guess our group will have to take a entirely new approach to being Governing Body 2.0. Somehow I think we will just be ourselves and join with the other volunteers to achieve our goal. We don't want to become the new Governing Body, but find ways to get the current governing body to change their ways in positive and loving ways. They can keep their jobs - we don't want them. But they need to do a lot better serving their flock. That is our goal.

JV

535

AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Juan Viejo2

The new website has been visited well over 1500 times within the first two hours.

Thank everyone of you for your fine support. AAWA will do its best to live up to your hopes and expectations!

JV

535

AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Juan Viejo2

Volunteer application is now available in both Word .doc and editable PDF versions. If they don't work, send a contact or email request and we'll email you one as an attachment.

JV

535

AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Juan Viejo2

Looks like there may be a broken link to the volunteer questionaire. No problem - we'll have it fixed very soon.

JV

54

Our family wishes to extend our sympathies to Gregg [Greybeard from JWStruggle]...

by Newly Enlightened in

jw
friends

gregg, we are deeply sorry for your loss.

you will be with us in our thoughts & prayers.

Juan Viejo2

So sad. Sorry to hear the news. Gregg, be strong...

JV

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Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)

by cedars in

part 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.

for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .

(to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.

Juan Viejo2

I'm going to step in here for just a moment to answer one part of Chaserious' questions and remarks.

If you look at the credits at the end of each video you will see that along with Kathleen Conti, I was filming the interviews. I was running the main camera and offscreen asking the questions.

When we came to that particular question I was so offended by its tone that I wasn't going to ask it. As "director" by default, I made a snap decision NOT TO ASK that question and just move on. Candace objected and told me to go ahead and ask. I looked at Rick Simons for support of my position and was shocked when he looked at Candace and then back at me and said, "If Candace is OK with it, so am I." So overruled by both of them, I read the question and turned on the camera. What you see in the video is their response as given.

Even though my involvement in this affair has been limited, mostly as videographer and editor of the first set of Conti videos, I can assure all of you of two things:

1. Candace has never backed down on answering a question. Although Mr. Simons was present at both tapings, I never once saw him coach Candace or tell her not to answer a question. She has never worked from prepared notes, but has always answered truthfully and straight from her heart.

And this answer is directed to responders like Chaserious:

2. Both Candace, and to an even greater extent for her mother, Kathleen, hurtful and non-supportive questions are painful and strike to their hearts. Honest questions about facts and legal issues are fine, but for some reason those who seem to have some problem with the outcome of the case do not go after the questions of law - but prefer to attack the reputations and personal life stories of Candace and Kathleen. Those kinds of questions completely miss the point of the case: The women are not on trial for any actions they may have taken or events in their lives. Jonathan Kendrick is a convicted child molester who is listed on local offender lists and also on the national Megan's Law listings. The elders at North Fremont have admitted that they failed to notify the authorities or to warn the other members of the congregation that a molester was in their midst. There is hard and undisputed evidence that the elders at North Fremont were following existing Watchtower policy and were getting direct orders from the Service and Legal departments in New York. Candace Conti's personal life was not on trial and never will be.

I believe in forums like this because they give us all a chance to vent, respond, and ask questions of our own. I don't believe this is the place to pass on gossip or question the reputations of others (except publicly exposed criminals).

Miss Conti answered the question and answered it well. Rick Simons clarified some of those issues as they related to the trial. Let's leave it at that.

Please, Chaserious, do us all a favor and show some respect for the Contis and just drop it. I can assure you that you've got it all wrong.

JV

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Logical Fallacies in WT Publications

by Oubliette in

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Juan Viejo2

Oubliette -

You have a PM (or will have very soon!)

JV

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Congregation had to relocate Memorial...thanks to me

by Shepherd Book in

so, the two local congregations were planning to hold their memorial together at 7:30 at the local community center, but they had to make a last-minute change to their own hall, and i'm pretty sure it was because of me.. let me explain.... at work on monday afternoon, a co-worker returned from her lunchbreak and showed me the memorial invitation that was waiitng in her door when she went home for lunch.

i noticed the sticker on the back indicated the memorial was being held, not at the local hall, but at the community center.

from a past (non-jw) event i attended there, i knew they didn't allow alcohol (unless you pay for security guards), so i wrote to the center's coordinator:.

Juan Viejo2

Back in the day all congregations had their own Kingdom Halls. They would open up a new one on the other side of town when growth required it. Every KH in medium to larger towns was sized for about 125 persons. In my town we started out with one KH downtown, added another on the far southend of the city, then another in between those two, and finally one on the westside in an attached suburb. All that growth in about 15 years. Population of that city and surrounding suburbs was around 35-40,000. Four Kingdom Halls served the area well.

Yes, only 85-100 JWs would show up for meetings, but that allowed a few extra seats for coats and handbags - and yes, even occasional visitors. When we had the Memorial or a special talk by the CO or DO (in those days CS and DS) all the seats would be taken, we'd have to break out some folding chairs, and a few of the brothers would have to stand up in the back.

But we didn't have to drive 20 miles (or further) to go to the KH. We didn't need MSes carrying portable microphones or holding them on long bars. We even had room for a piano so that someone could play our Kingdom Songs.

Sixty years later, guess what? Still just four Kingdom Halls serve the area. Population is well over 300,000. I am sure that there are Spanish congregations sharing KHs with English, and maybe a couple of other languages (Vietnamese) as well. There is no longer a KH in downtown, so everyone living near the center of town has to drive about 8 to 10 miles to the edges to go to meetings (can you guess where the ethnic and poorer neighborhoods are?).

So for my old home town, growth has obviously been stagnant, and access has been diminished. Yes, the KHs are newer and probably larger, but not ten times larger. My guess is that Memorials were also held in the JW assembly hall about 20 miles away to handle some of the overflow, but then you have to add in populations that are around the AH as well.

I guess the good news is that in the 60 years since I was in the area, JWs as a percentage of the total population has nose-dived. Maybe there is a god...

JV